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Jācōbus: /* Bingo */ new section

2023-05-02T18:14:30Z

Bingo: new section

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	{{Reason}}So, I am currently studying logic and mathematics and there are a bunch of words derived from Latin and Greek. I'd suggest that we should include the latinized versions conjūnctor, adjunctor, implicātiō, ... regardless whether they are attested or not (false friends obviously excluded). There are probably a few hundred words, so I think it'd be better if we do not discuss each one of them, because that would take a lot of time. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 March 2023 (CEST)		{{Reason}}So, I am currently studying logic and mathematics and there are a bunch of words derived from Latin and Greek. I'd suggest that we should include the latinized versions conjūnctor, adjunctor, implicātiō, ... regardless whether they are attested or not (false friends obviously excluded). There are probably a few hundred words, so I think it'd be better if we do not discuss each one of them, because that would take a lot of time. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 March 2023 (CEST)

			== Bingo ==

			{{Proposal}}Bingō

			{{Reason}}As far as I am aware, bingo is derived from the sound of a bell (bing bing). Since this is a proper name of a game, I'd suggest to not change the name. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 20:14, 2 May 2023 (CEST)

Jācōbus: /* Dandelion */ Reply

2023-05-02T18:08:43Z

Dandelion: Reply

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	::::::So, I agree with ''taraxacum'', which (at least according to Wikipedia, I couldn't find it in Du Cange) entered Latin from Arabic in the 12th century and therefore is not a modern innovation.		::::::So, I agree with ''taraxacum'', which (at least according to Wikipedia, I couldn't find it in Du Cange) entered Latin from Arabic in the 12th century and therefore is not a modern innovation.
	::::::Another question is the scope of our entry. In modern English usage ''dandelion'' only refers to the genus Taraxacum and similar plants, such as [[wikipedia:Leontodon\|Leontodon]], are known as ''[[wikipedia:False_dandelion\|false dandelion]]''. That strikes me as a modern botanical distinction, although I might be biased since my native language simply calls both ''<span lang="de" dir="ltr">Löwenzahn</span>''. [[User:Lūkās\|Lūkās]] ([[User talk:Lūkās\|talk]]) 01:12, 24 April 2023 (CEST)		::::::Another question is the scope of our entry. In modern English usage ''dandelion'' only refers to the genus Taraxacum and similar plants, such as [[wikipedia:Leontodon\|Leontodon]], are known as ''[[wikipedia:False_dandelion\|false dandelion]]''. That strikes me as a modern botanical distinction, although I might be biased since my native language simply calls both ''<span lang="de" dir="ltr">Löwenzahn</span>''. [[User:Lūkās\|Lūkās]] ([[User talk:Lūkās\|talk]]) 01:12, 24 April 2023 (CEST)
			:::::::We can include this I think. Our dictionary is not (only) about the scientific usage of certain words, but you can make an extra comment to this. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 20:08, 2 May 2023 (CEST)

	== Pudding ==		== Pudding ==

Lūkās: /* Dandelion */ Reply

2023-04-23T23:12:22Z

Dandelion: Reply

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	::::It is the botanical name, which we could also include. But I have personally a problem with that, since botanical names are usually artificial and do not fit that well with Latin. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:34, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::::It is the botanical name, which we could also include. But I have personally a problem with that, since botanical names are usually artificial and do not fit that well with Latin. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:34, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	:::::I agree that botanical names are oftentimes artificial. But overall I disagree because (1) taraxacum is just a part of the botanical name (2) I put in my previous reply a source which attests the use of taraxacum as the name of the plant and other names like dens leonis, caput monachi and urinaria (it. pisciacane). [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 14:44, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:::::I agree that botanical names are oftentimes artificial. But overall I disagree because (1) taraxacum is just a part of the botanical name (2) I put in my previous reply a source which attests the use of taraxacum as the name of the plant and other names like dens leonis, caput monachi and urinaria (it. pisciacane). [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 14:44, 4 March 2023 (CET)
			::::::[https://mateo.uni-mannheim.de/camenaref/kirsch/kirsch1/p1/jpg/s1400.html Kirsch] also has an entry for ''Tărāxăcum, i, n.'' and defines it as "<span lang="de" dir="ltr">Pfaffenblatt, Münchskopf, Saudistel, ein gewisses Kraut. ''Botan[isch].''</span>" (pastor's leaf, monk's head, sow thistle, a certain herb. ''Botanical.''). The first two names do appear to be common names for Taraxacum officinale and the second name does neatly fit ''caput monachi'', although the third name seems to refer to somewhat similar-looking [[wikipedia:Sonchus\|Sonchus]].
			::::::So, I agree with ''taraxacum'', which (at least according to Wikipedia, I couldn't find it in Du Cange) entered Latin from Arabic in the 12th century and therefore is not a modern innovation.
			::::::Another question is the scope of our entry. In modern English usage ''dandelion'' only refers to the genus Taraxacum and similar plants, such as [[wikipedia:Leontodon\|Leontodon]], are known as ''[[wikipedia:False_dandelion\|false dandelion]]''. That strikes me as a modern botanical distinction, although I might be biased since my native language simply calls both ''<span lang="de" dir="ltr">Löwenzahn</span>''. [[User:Lūkās\|Lūkās]] ([[User talk:Lūkās\|talk]]) 01:12, 24 April 2023 (CEST)

	== Pudding ==		== Pudding ==

Jācōbus: /* Conjunctor, Adjunctor, Implication, ... */ new section

2023-03-28T17:16:09Z

Conjunctor, Adjunctor, Implication, ...: new section

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	:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)

			== Conjunctor, Adjunctor, Implication, ... ==

			{{Proposal}}The latin equivalents

			{{Reason}}So, I am currently studying logic and mathematics and there are a bunch of words derived from Latin and Greek. I'd suggest that we should include the latinized versions conjūnctor, adjunctor, implicātiō, ... regardless whether they are attested or not (false friends obviously excluded). There are probably a few hundred words, so I think it'd be better if we do not discuss each one of them, because that would take a lot of time. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 March 2023 (CEST)

Jācōbus: Archive

2023-03-25T17:27:20Z

Jācōbus: /* Minced meat */ new section

2023-03-06T21:02:06Z

Minced meat: new section

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	:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::Vēmortuus would be the word for "undead", but as I said: Zombie is - as far as I know - a mythical creature coming from Haiti. So I think it's inappropriate to use such a vague paraphrase, do you know what I mean? It is like calling Jupiter "deus caelī". Zombius sounds pretty good, though. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 17:48, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::Vēmortuus would be the word for "undead", but as I said: Zombie is - as far as I know - a mythical creature coming from Haiti. So I think it's inappropriate to use such a vague paraphrase, do you know what I mean? It is like calling Jupiter "deus caelī". Zombius sounds pretty good, though. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 17:48, 4 March 2023 (CET)

			== Minced meat ==

			{{Proposal}}carō concīsa

			{{Reason}}To my surprise, there is no Latin word for minced meat, at least I did not find any in my dictionaries; so this is my suggestion which is straightforward, I guess. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 22:02, 6 March 2023 (CET)

Jācōbus: /* Zombie */ Reply

2023-03-04T16:48:57Z

Zombie: Reply

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	:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)
			::Vēmortuus would be the word for "undead", but as I said: Zombie is - as far as I know - a mythical creature coming from Haiti. So I think it's inappropriate to use such a vague paraphrase, do you know what I mean? It is like calling Jupiter "deus caelī". Zombius sounds pretty good, though. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 17:48, 4 March 2023 (CET)

Logodaedalus: /* Zombie */ Reply

2023-03-04T14:23:47Z

Zombie: Reply

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	{{Reason}}Zombie is a difficult word. We should preferably translate this word into Latin exactly as it is rendered in most languages, because this is a specific word from mythology. Since very few words in Latin end in -e (with the exception of Greek loanwords), I suggest zombiēs by analogy with faciēs or diēs. The Vicipaedia uses zombi (indecl.), but that is their own invention and not widely used. I discussed this with @[[User:Lukas\|Lukas]] and we couldn't think of anything better. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:46, 4 March 2023 (CET)		{{Reason}}Zombie is a difficult word. We should preferably translate this word into Latin exactly as it is rendered in most languages, because this is a specific word from mythology. Since very few words in Latin end in -e (with the exception of Greek loanwords), I suggest zombiēs by analogy with faciēs or diēs. The Vicipaedia uses zombi (indecl.), but that is their own invention and not widely used. I discussed this with @[[User:Lukas\|Lukas]] and we couldn't think of anything better. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:46, 4 March 2023 (CET)

			:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)

Jācōbus: /* Zombie */ new section

2023-03-04T13:46:08Z

Zombie: new section

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	:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)

			== Zombie ==

			{{Proposal}}zombiēs, zombiēī

			{{Reason}}Zombie is a difficult word. We should preferably translate this word into Latin exactly as it is rendered in most languages, because this is a specific word from mythology. Since very few words in Latin end in -e (with the exception of Greek loanwords), I suggest zombiēs by analogy with faciēs or diēs. The Vicipaedia uses zombi (indecl.), but that is their own invention and not widely used. I discussed this with @[[User:Lukas\|Lukas]] and we couldn't think of anything better. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:46, 4 March 2023 (CET)

Logodaedalus: /* Dandelion */ Reply

2023-03-04T13:44:00Z

Dandelion: Reply

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	:::https://books.google.it/books?id=NeZSAAAAcAAJ '''De taraxaco praesertim aquae eiusdem per fermentationem paratae eximio usu''' one of the first result of dens leonis in google books [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:::https://books.google.it/books?id=NeZSAAAAcAAJ '''De taraxaco praesertim aquae eiusdem per fermentationem paratae eximio usu''' one of the first result of dens leonis in google books [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::::It is the botanical name, which we could also include. But I have personally a problem with that, since botanical names are usually artificial and do not fit that well with Latin. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:34, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::::It is the botanical name, which we could also include. But I have personally a problem with that, since botanical names are usually artificial and do not fit that well with Latin. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:34, 4 March 2023 (CET)
			:::::I agree that botanical names are oftentimes artificial. But overall I disagree because (1) taraxacum is just a part of the botanical name (2) I put in my previous reply a source which attests the use of taraxacum as the name of the plant and other names like dens leonis, caput monachi and urinaria (it. pisciacane). [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 14:44, 4 March 2023 (CET)

	== Pudding ==		== Pudding ==

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	:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)		:Looking in the lexicon Morganianum, I found a few words: ''oxygala'', ''erneum'' and ''murtatum''; ''oryzae tympanum/oryza sufflata'' for rice pudding. [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)		::Rice pudding is not the same as pudding, though. In German, we call this "Milchreis", since it has very little in common with pudding. But we can include this word for rice pudding, according to Vicipaedia Rice pudding is "Oryza cum lacte" or "puls oryzae" (but there is no source for that, so we should be cautious). [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 March 2023 (CET)

	~~== Zombie ==~~

	~~{{Proposal}}zombiēs, zombiēī~~

	{{Reason}}Zombie is a difficult word. We should preferably translate this word into Latin exactly as it is rendered in most languages, because this is a specific word from mythology. Since very few words in Latin end in -e (with the exception of Greek loanwords), I suggest zombiēs by analogy with faciēs or diēs. The Vicipaedia uses zombi (indecl.), but that is their own invention and not widely used. I discussed this with @[[User:Lukas\|Lukas]] and we couldn't think of anything better. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 14:46, 4 March 2023 (CET)

	:Wouldn’t zombius be more accurate? May I also suggest vēmortuus, a neologism coined by the latinist Thomas Vulpius? [[User:Logodaedalus\|Logodaedalus]] ([[User talk:Logodaedalus\|talk]]) 15:23, 4 March 2023 (CET)
	::Vēmortuus would be the word for "undead", but as I said: Zombie is - as far as I know - a mythical creature coming from Haiti. So I think it's inappropriate to use such a vague paraphrase, do you know what I mean? It is like calling Jupiter "deus caelī". Zombius sounds pretty good, though. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 17:48, 4 March 2023 (CET)

	~~== Minced meat ==~~

	~~{{Proposal}}carō concīsa~~

	{{Reason}}To my surprise, there is no Latin word for minced meat, at least I did not find any in my dictionaries; so this is my suggestion which is straightforward, I guess. [[User:Jācōbus\|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus\|talk]]) 22:02, 6 March 2023 (CET)