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{{Reason}}That is a matter that I am still not sure how we are going to deal with. Some find "Czechia" problematic as a spelling and prefer Cechia (see the discussion on [https://www.reddit.com/r/latin/comments/115go1o/i_have_created_an_englishneolatin_dictionary/ Reddit]). I would also want to suggest taking that as an alternative. However, there are also those who prefer the name Bohēmia, although Bohemia is only a part of today's Czechia and had also included Germans, for example. Therefore, I want to hear your opinion on whether we should list Bohemia as an alternative vocabulary with the indication that it is actually misleading. So what is your opinion on this? [[User:Jācōbus|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus|talk]]) 14:02, 20 February 2023 (CET)
{{Reason}}That is a matter that I am still not sure how we are going to deal with. Some find "Czechia" problematic as a spelling and prefer Cechia (see the discussion on [https://www.reddit.com/r/latin/comments/115go1o/i_have_created_an_englishneolatin_dictionary/ Reddit]). I would also want to suggest taking that as an alternative. However, there are also those who prefer the name Bohēmia, although Bohemia is only a part of today's Czechia and had also included Germans, for example. Therefore, I want to hear your opinion on whether we should list Bohemia as an alternative vocabulary with the indication that it is actually misleading. So what is your opinion on this? [[User:Jācōbus|Jācōbus]] ([[User talk:Jācōbus|talk]]) 14:02, 20 February 2023 (CET)
:In that regard, ''Czechia'' ultimately has the same issues as ''Bohemia'', as it derives from the Czech name for Bohemia, ''Čechy''; it is a pars pro toto either way. So I don’t see any harm in giving ''Bohemia'' as an alternative.
:Vicipaedia’s main source for ''Cechia'' is modern (1997), the older sources given there use ''Čechia'' (note that ''č'' in Czech orthography replaced earlier ''cz'', which Polish retained) or ''Czechia''. Vicipaedia itself also later gives ''Czechia'' as the oldest spelling. So, I don’t really see precedent for ''Cechia'' beyond modern innovation.
:While Hofmannus (1677) obviously couldn’t refer to the modern country, he supports the spelling ''Czechia'' under "''Boëmia'', vel ''Bohemia'', vel ''Bœhemia''": "Ejectis tandem è Boiohemo etiam Marcomannis Quadisque Sclavini Scythica & Barbara gens duce Czecho, intraverunt, Anno 550. quos ab occupato Boiohemo vulgus ''Bohemos'' vocat."
:By the way, given the etymology (''Boio'' -> ''Bo''), are you sure it’s ''Bohēmia'' and not ''Bōhēmia'' or even ''Bōhemia''? Although, as Greek uses ''Βοημία'', ''Bohēmia'' does appear correct. [[User:Lūkās|Lūkās]] ([[User talk:Lūkās|talk]]) 15:03, 20 February 2023 (CET)

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blogger

Proposal: histologista

Reason: As discussed on Talk:blog with @Logodaedalus, histologista seems to be a very good choice. I would suggest, we should also add blogista in analogy to blōx. My only problem with using histologista/histologion would be that most people don't understand this world immediately. Jācōbus (talk) 11:10, 18 February 2023 (CET)Reply[reply]

Thank you! I think that immediate understanding of a word is a secundary problem. The priority in my opinion is to use words with good roots. Logodaedalus (talk) 12:31, 18 February 2023 (CET)Reply[reply]
I am also thinking about blōgista as an alternative. This fits to our suggestion blōx which is in my opinion a bit more intuitive. Any opinion to this? Jācōbus (talk) 13:24, 18 February 2023 (CET)Reply[reply]

Czechia

Proposal: Bohēmia or Cechia

Reason: That is a matter that I am still not sure how we are going to deal with. Some find "Czechia" problematic as a spelling and prefer Cechia (see the discussion on Reddit). I would also want to suggest taking that as an alternative. However, there are also those who prefer the name Bohēmia, although Bohemia is only a part of today's Czechia and had also included Germans, for example. Therefore, I want to hear your opinion on whether we should list Bohemia as an alternative vocabulary with the indication that it is actually misleading. So what is your opinion on this? Jācōbus (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2023 (CET)Reply[reply]

In that regard, Czechia ultimately has the same issues as Bohemia, as it derives from the Czech name for Bohemia, Čechy; it is a pars pro toto either way. So I don’t see any harm in giving Bohemia as an alternative.
Vicipaedia’s main source for Cechia is modern (1997), the older sources given there use Čechia (note that č in Czech orthography replaced earlier cz, which Polish retained) or Czechia. Vicipaedia itself also later gives Czechia as the oldest spelling. So, I don’t really see precedent for Cechia beyond modern innovation.
While Hofmannus (1677) obviously couldn’t refer to the modern country, he supports the spelling Czechia under "Boëmia, vel Bohemia, vel Bœhemia": "Ejectis tandem è Boiohemo etiam Marcomannis Quadisque Sclavini Scythica & Barbara gens duce Czecho, intraverunt, Anno 550. quos ab occupato Boiohemo vulgus Bohemos vocat."
By the way, given the etymology (Boio -> Bo), are you sure it’s Bohēmia and not Bōhēmia or even Bōhemia? Although, as Greek uses Βοημία, Bohēmia does appear correct. Lūkās (talk) 15:03, 20 February 2023 (CET)Reply[reply]